Ed Sheeran Says His Friendship With Taylor Swift Is Like “Therapy”: “She’s Just Basically in the Same Sphere”

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More than a decade after Ed Sheeran and Taylor Swift kicked off their friendship, the two are still going strong.

Sheeran, who recently sat down with Zane Lowe on Apple Music 1, opened up about how he often confides in his longtime friend about things going on in his career — and his life.

“I have long, long, long conversations with Taylor about stuff just because I feel like she’s one of the only people that actually truly understands where I’m at,” he explained, “because she’s solo artist, she’s stadiums.”

The “Shape of You” singer said he and the “Anti-Hero” artist spent an hour and 20 minutes catching up prior to the interview.

“We were just — everything that was on our minds we talked about,” he said. “I mean that in itself is kind of therapy as well because you’re actually talking to someone that genuinely gets it, that has all the things that you feel and have insecurities about and how other people treat you or how your family treats you, how your friends treat you, she’s just basically in the same sphere.”

Sheeran also shared that fans have Swift to thank for a lot of the songs on his upcoming album – (pronounced subtract). She introduced him to The National’s Aaron Dessner when they were working on Red (Taylor’s Version) together, on which Sheeran has two collaborations with Swift, “Run” and “Everything Has Changed.”

“I kind of would keep my distance if there would be a collaborator that she’d be working with closely just because that’s her thing,” Sheeran said, “and I don’t want to be like, ‘Well I’m gonna do that too,’ but … she said, ‘I think it’d be really important for you as an artist to do what I did and work with Aaron because this is what it did for me. And I think you and Aaron should work together.’”

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And she was right. Dessner and Sheeran went on to co-create every song on -, which releases May 5.

“That sort of opened the door to it,” Sheeran said. “And I am incredibly grateful. I’m making some of the most meaningful music to me that I’ve made in a very long time. And I was just very wary about treading on to [her work] … and we can be open with each other about that sort of stuff as well.”

The “Perfect” singer was recently found not liable in a copyright infringement case in New York City after the heirs of songwriter Ed Townsend, who co-created Marvin Gaye’s 1970s hit “Let’s Get It On,” claimed that Sheeran stole key components of the song when he created his hit “Thinking Out Loud.”

In his conversation with Apple Music, Sheeran addressed the case, saying he would “never” consider litigation against another artist. He explained that he even once reached out to Coldplay’s Chris Martin about a song he was writing for Keith Urban that sort of sounded like the band’s “Ever Glow” and asked the frontman to clear the song, and Martin said he didn’t need to because he trusted Sheeran.

“The thing with these cases, it’s not usually songwriters that are suing songwriters,” Sheeran explained. “I mean sometimes it is, but … I feel like in the songwriting community, everyone sort of knows that there’s four chords primarily that are used, and there’s eight notes. And we work with what we’ve got.”